Emma Warren is back. For her second season, she takes on the idea of the "second mountain." Emma finds midlife entrepreneurs who've had a successful first ascent, "achieved competence," and assumed the days of making it up as they go were long behind them - only to discover the second mountain is exactly where the making-it-up starts again.
Making Stuff Up With Janet Hitchen 20-26 October 2025.
Find Emma's earlier shows in the DO Radio Archive.
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